Mario Gerard: Hello, and welcome to the TPM podcast with your host Mario Gerard. And of course, in all of this, you know, theyre defining requirements, they do this in collaboration, of course, with research, design, engineering TPM. Do you think between the product manager, technical and the TPM, if theres one person, can they switch like back and forth between these two roles? Jan 3 1 1. So, they have TPM product, they have PMs and then they have, sometimes they have these kind of underlying technical product manager roles that may or may not be distinguished by titles. The TPM product role is more of a TPM in product facing projects or consumer facing areas. Ill add a little bit to that. Thats why I try to, you know, kind of really help back because I really feel very close to the TPM community. Eventually they do impact whoever the end user is, but youre thinking more in those terms as opposed to what a user sees or how the user interacts with the product itself. So, Ive also seen where companies may not necessarily distinguish between a product manager and a product manager technical role, but they just look for that particular skill, If they are hiding for a product manager in a particular technical [18:10inaudible]. So thats how I think they can complement each other. Leaning in and helping the other person out. So of course, they are working very closely with GM in terms of developing the car. We did talk about overlap between product and TPM generally. They will last 45 minutes each and touch upon the role's technical, program management-related, and behavioral questions. Lets move on to the next question, like from a skill perspective, tell us what are skillsets a PMT should have. And that person helping you out is a very, very close, collaborative partnership between the TPM and the product manager themselves. We have to motivate these teams. Thats kind of interesting. So that is some of the history. So, do you think like Im thinking whether they can switch between roles? Because you do need a lot of that. So, you know, that is also that option because if you are a product TPM and you realize, okay, down the line, you really just love kind of developing that vision and strategy. And so, youll see these Cruise Chevy bolts along in San Francisco city if youre ever here. For on-site, Program sense, technical solution design/TPM technical round, partnerships and behavioral questions will be the focus areas if you're looking for product tpm. Ideally that would be best, right? Search. They of course need solid prioritization rationale. The PM comes with the market knowledge, the research that has been done. I recall that there was a TPM specific preparation doc that outlines the areas. It could be an engineering manager, it could be anybody with different titles, but the role theyre trying to play is trying to bring these teams together to accomplish the final goal of the program. Refresh. Providence Health & Services Pegasus 1 . So, say for example, performance. In our Flagship Meta PM Interview course, you'll start off by learning Meta's strategy between now and 2030 for Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, and more. So yes, so they do hire both depends on what is the type of product youre building. It can also help certain people, you know, who kind of maybe come from a technical background and they really want to stay technical, but they want to kind of shift more into this product or TPM role. So, the thing is to say is product managers lean towards vision and strategy and TPMs lean more towards execution and delivery. Like performance, If the site is slow to load its both technical metrics, but for the user, all that it means is that theyre waiting X number of seconds. So, I say those are the core things in terms of skills. They have to think about how the systems interconnect with other things. Because that is where the TPM organization or the hiring started, which is understandably so. Like influencing with that authority is so important. So thats kind of my take on the product managerresponsibility. The process may have changed by the time you read it. This is where we start seeing overlap in responsibilities. Microsoft. So regardless of what my experience was , listen to your recruiter. And its also interesting that you pointed out the distinguishing factors primarily helped during hiring. Like the complexity of the programs have gone up so much and theres so many teams that own separate confidence and do any complex program. Yes, you should get a pdf from a recruiter on what all topics to expect. And easier, easier and enjoy. facebook tpm interview process* * As of December 2020 The TPM intern interview process consists of two 45 minute phone interviews, each consisting of behavioral and system design questions. Or you can continue to like to evolve based on if you change domains. And do they even complement each other? A few days ago we were all ragging on each other for "not being a real science" or "I'm the best science". I think let we talk a little bit about the TPM product role first, and then well also jump into PMT because this is something we talked about a little bit earlier, right? So, its great for like aspiring TPMs. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Designed by Mario Gerard. You'll be asked to design systems, explain technical concepts and in some rare occasions write code. Typical TPM questions: - Describe a project you led from start to finish - How do you manage a project - Describe a technical challenge - Go over some architecture details of a system. As stated earlier I felt as if there was already a candidate selected but I was being contacted to satisfy the HR process and say . Mario Gerard: Its so interesting. So, lets talk about that. So, for example, at Facebook ads or Instagram, for example, those are things that people use, right. You need more domain specialization. October 24, 2022; georgetown scs academic calendar; alo yoga leggings airlift I have a TPM interview with Meta and notice 3 Directors on the loop. And this is where we kind of see this overlap in some of the skill sets as well as the responsibilities. And then there can be parts that are more developing the algorithms, but some technical specifications in mind, or maybe youre trying to develop the core AI platform, right. It was kind of, its [36:42inaudible]stages at that time. They might say something. And so like, if we lean into our strengths, I think the work becomes much more enjoyable. So thats something we keep in mind. Like you can print out an R and R and you can stick it up on your desk, but the way to work with each other is to talk like, you know, sit down, talk, you know, what are your strengths? We do not discriminate based upon race, religion, color, national origin, sex (including pregnancy, childbirth, reproductive health decisions, or related medical conditions), sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, age, status as a protected veteran, status as an individual with a disability . And this is where, you know, that whole statement about leaning more towards vision strategy versus leaning more towards execution delivery came from. I think we spoke a little bit about this earlier, but I think when we were talking about it, you were talking about meta previously and you were saying you could share some context of where this role originated from. Something you just said, Mario, who is we have to be able to work with multiple teams. Lets switch gears and move to the product manager role, because were going to be talking a lot about the TPM product and the product manager technical role. And thats why they kind of coming back to why we need this role. However, some blind folks have messaged me at Meta and said it's a high level E7 role. But you also, you know, of course, you know, there might be incorporating the data, the research, but its maybe in a different form, right. fishy and signs of ghosting to be followed. Something you mention earlier, right. That is the difference between say a purely said like opposite, that is an infrastructure program, right? What candidates say about the interview process at Meta. Priyanka Shinde: Add one thing. Phone Interviews (1-2 rounds, 45 minutes each) Depending on the company you have applied to, you will have one or two phone interviews with a hiring manager or TPM from the company. But besides the technical skills, you need strong program management skills, right. Priyanka Shinde: I think it needs to be again a collaborative. And theres, you can see that theres definitely at least like a natural 30, 40% overlap maybe of similar types of skills and similar types of probably personalities as well to a large degree, right. Its a natural chemistry with the natural push and pull, which kind of finds its natural balance in an organization. It was ads. Thats the end goal. Theyre driving product vision, strategies, roadmaps in the context of like the broader organizational strategy and goal. So, I think yes, like, but again, when you have both of them, the time to bring, have both PMT and a TPM on a team is when the product is highly complex. That is what I mean. Like I want to double down on what Priyanka just said, that when you are choosing roles, whether youre an engineer trying to become a TPM or an engineer trying to become a dev manager or a dev manager becoming a TPM, a TPM becoming a dev manager, all of these roles, people move between these roles a lot. That is definitely telling something. Maybe its more from a system performance perspective rather than like getting a user, you know, how many clicks theyre doing or things like that. How do they collaborate? She has extensive experience as a TPM. These are interview questions in which a candidate is asked to design the system architecture of some product or service. #meta #faang #facebook #tpm #interview #programmanager, Go to company page Like can I be at TPM today and like six months later say, hey, Im going to go and try this product manager technical role out for some time. Phone Screen. I am a Principal Technical Program Manager (TPM) and have been in the tech industry for over 14years. But kind of thats how I think about it is like PMs are defining the what in a nutshell, and then the TPMS do when and the how a little bit. Like these two roles I feel are very complimenting, right? HERE I think that is also something that people do often. Priyanka Shinde: Yeah. And its also probably gives the manager whos hiring a good insight to just think, what kind of skill am I even looking for. Mario Gerard: Priyanka, why dont you kind of give me like a, for people who dont know a lot about crews, why dont you give them like a two minute pitch of what does Cruise do for people who dont know Cruise. Learn More. Priyanka Shinde: Yes. So thats why I feel like the TPMs kind of is a role that has kind of evolved as well as gain more prominence in the last couple of decades. And she has over like 20 years of experience in the tech industry. All interview questions are submitted by recent Meta Program Manager candidates, labelled and categorized by Prepfully, and then published after being verified by Program Manager s at Meta. What does a product manager do and what is, his or her role? Mario Gerard: Yeah. Recruiter has not shared level, any idea what level the loop is for? Go to company page This is the most competitive step in the process, as millions of candidates do not make it past this stage. And so that was my primary motivation of transitioning to TPM. And thats where youve seen the technical program manager role kind of blossom the last decade as Priyanka said. Priyanka Shinde: Yeah. So, one of the things that, you know, we used to stay at Facebook and we were trying, when we were trying to help everyone understand kind of how these roles complement each other and then how has they still different and still need it. Shes been publishing a lot of great resources for TPMs. Theyre thinking about that vision and what happens or how we can do this. So thats kind of the difference. Thank you, Mario. They are partners for the betterment of the organization, for the betterment of the feature set, for the betterment of the product itself. Or is there like, you know, that little product sense, you know, understanding of the customer, do they have that? Yeah. I think they can both to a certain extent, like define the requirements, work in collaboration with other teams, but in smaller teams, like the PM might just do the research or kind of like even to execute a little bit. So, Im going to kind of try and frame it the best I can without, I mean, I did kind of played a part product part program manager role at one point. Most of these teams already had a product manager from the beginning. Yeah. And of course, you know, a lot of times what happens is there are many challenges that where your big teams, multiple teams, you have very complex products. So now in case of a technical product managers, they have to come up with more of a technical roadmap and they have to think about the platform. Honestly, I feel that anyone who tries to claim that interviewing isn't broken simply hasn't tried to interview within the past few years.. It's not about whether whiteboarding should be done or take-home tests should be done or whatnot, it's the sheer damn time investment that each company is demanding from the candidate--on top of the fact that companies now pull multiple bullshit . A lot of times now you are going and talking in terms of more technical product, youre using more of that technical system knowledge with those conversations. General Interview Structure for Meta TPM Interviews. As Priyanka is talking about the skills, theres just tremendous amount of overlap of skills, of what a TPM kind of naturally possesses. You want to understand the rationale behind the requirements. Answer Question. What I think it does having those separate titles is it helps in distinguishing during hiring. Of course, you know, the skillset, the additional skillset that is needed, I would say is that technical depth and expertise. Let me talk you though this sometimes \"mysterious\" interview so you can pass it with flying colours00:00 - Intro00:22 - Goal of the interview01:05 - Structure of the interview09:18 - Recommendations and Tips11:22 - OutroMeta's Interviewing process - https://youtu.be/gl67Mr3s_3gMeta's Phone Screening interview - https://youtu.be/zFBlj55Cqa0Meta's Program Sense interview - https://youtu.be/CVAgVpsAM8IMetas Technical Retrospective interview - https://youtu.be/FQAO7l3M72AMetas Behavioural interview - https://youtu.be/F9jYTGKMLbgMetas Partnerships interview - https://youtu.be/igjM8Cja_V8I also offer coaching for interviews (mock interviews and preparation), and general career advice for TPMs, book now:https://calendly.com/lino-iglesias So thats so well said there. That's helpful for sure. Definitely, communication is so important. System design, PgM questions is what I got for phone interview. Do you enjoy, you know, kind of like creating that vision strategy roadmap, or sometimes you try want just execution and delivery is your thing. For example, these questions are typically focused on system design. We talk a little bit more about this, but youll see them slowly, slowly, like the prominence of those roles are slowly increasing. So, its kind of interesting. Product managers sometimes are very forward looking. And there are equal number of TPMS product managers receive most organizations. Im going to go and execute. You can expect the duration to be 60 minutes, with around 50 minutes for you to solve the question and around 10 minutes for follow-up/other questions and answers. Meta candidates, labelled and categorized by Prepfully, and then published after verification by current and ex-Meta employees. And I do think like this role has gained a lot of prominence, especially in the past few years, like you were saying. And I really enjoyed kind of like the different aspects of what was being offered by these companies. Are they defined with a product manager, or would they be defined with TPM in this case? And I feel that the role is definitely more of a marriage, right. What are the gaps like you said, and then thats where you can build that partnership? Mario Gerard: Thats so well put, and you could probably do an entire podcast with Priyankas journey of becoming a TPM because all of us have different journeys and different paths that we take it to get to where we are. This will help in coming up with interesting . So thats kind of a real interesting journey to, you know, maybe decipher one day. The responsibilities of a technical program manager are a little more big picture than that of a software engineer. Because youre both informing based on certain understanding or knowledge that you have, right. Showing 1 to 10 of 41 results. So, I would say thats the skillset that a PMT needs. And that can be based on whatever background you have, or you can build on it, right. Mario Gerard: Thats so interesting that you see that within a team, which is kind of working together, you have both product managers and product manager technical folks. Yes, you should get a pdf from a recruiter on what all topics to expect. Shes also launchedTPMify, which is a coaching and consulting organization with a mission to help TPMs and TPM organizations reach their goals faster. So, theres a lot youre going see from Priyanka. They need to be influenced; they need to be persuasive. Priyanka Shinde: Yeah. Go to company page But you know, of course in a lot of times when, even from a TPM perspective, we say, oh, product managers mainly define what, right? So, if you are in San Francisco, you can potentially hail a driverless car. We do not discriminate based upon race, religion, color, national origin, sex (including pregnancy, childbirth, reproductive health decisions, or related medical conditions), sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, age, status as a protected veteran, status as an individual with a disability, genetic information, political views or activity, or other applicable legally protected characteristics. Motivating teams, as Priyanka said, super important when you dont have a team reporting to you, especially, right. Its important to understand like the why, why is this, you know, what would the user do? Describe one important past project and both its customer use cases and the technical architecture. 0. But many organizations need them because theyre working with highly technically complex products and systems. And then hes also influencing below to the engineers that, hey, this is something we must do. AT&T, Go to company page And then we start getting into some of the things which can have overlap with TPM role, but like they also need to have strong communication skills. And so, then they can both work together and say, yes, this is what the metrics might look like. Schedule your mock interview with a Meta Technical Program Manager; get real world feedback and honest advice geared towards helping you succeed: https://pre. The Systems Design interview is one of the most complex interviews in Meta for TPMs (and also Software Engineers). Project, Go to company page We talked about it being a partnership. Priyanka Shinde: I think like again, the focus for the product manager technical or technical product manager there is like, these terms [19:43inaudible]is more technical, right? Required fields are marked *. Tell me about a time when you led a team. A lot of the skill sets are similar, right. Being a Technical Program Manager means driving impact and delivering measurable results across a wide range of areas. And so, I feel like, you know, the industry has moved on from like program management or, I mean, we still have program managers, but the TPM role, I feel came more into prominence over the last maybe couple of decades because of the technological advancements that we are seeing in the products, right. Good luck. Mario Gerard: Take care folks. Podcast: Play in new window | Download | Embed, Subscribe: Google Podcasts | Stitcher | Email | RSS | More. If you need assistance or an accommodation due to a disability, you may contact us at, Legal, Finance, Facilities and Administration, downloading our comprehensive Meta Full Loop Interview Guide, Notice to Applicants for Employment and Employees. Mario Gerard: Yeah. Thats when you would have both on the team. And so, every organization goes through this and every, probably every decade, the role definition might move a little bit, might change a little bit as the industry evolves. Because as you said, lean is a key word there. Thank you so much Priyanka for sharing all your thoughts on the product manager, technical and TPM product roles. And theyre not really kind of encroaching on each others space. And this is something thats important to our customers. Because when you are also talking to the product manager, right. Its got a lot of interesting content. And whats the history behind that? So, I think something you just said, right. Which, what do we do first versus what do we do next? Because also what happens in this situation is theres sometimes already a product manager, right? I mean, even if you have like five teams, but yes, like it exponentially becomes harder when you have more and more people involved. And so, Cruise and Waymo, both doing really great and progressing ahead. They both have understanding of the, or system architecture or the constraints that the technical constraints that might want to fix. Like I was going to say that, you know, its the chemistry of a PM and a TPM. I mean, well be rooting for you. Priyanka Shinde: Yeah, so of course, you know, we talk about technical, like the team TPM, largely, so you of course need the technical or the domain expertise. Because a product managers kind of influencing up to his senior leadership of embarking on this mission. Like we talk a lot about communication, but at the same time, unless you are a TPM and youve been in a role like that, you dont understand the value of communication, how succinct you need to be sometimes. Mario Gerard: And where do they use it? I mean, that has a user or consumer focus. We are to be working with a lot of different teams. You can create a Career Profile to get job suggestions, prepare for the interview process, and more. We have to manage the conflicts. If you work with PMs, sometimes theres a little bit of love and hate because they want different things in life. I am an active blogger and podcast host. And so, what that does is that you now, you know, you cannot just have coordination, facilitation, tasking, all of those are still important, but by having some of that technical expertise and domain knowledge, you actually elevate your program management skills. But okay. In many instances, TPM candidates are asked to think through . So, a lot of times I see product managers are very depth focused. These are technical challenges that need to be solved either with the product hat, technically thinking how you solve these problems and with the execution hat, which is more of the TPM side. Thank you, Mario, for having me on the podcast. You are maybe dealing with 5, 10 teams, you have to go talk to X number of people you have to deliver on this roadmap. Cause I think that is a very critical aspect of the TPM role. Mario Gerard: And at that scale, right? And then we had business platform, which was, you know, a different team. And so, I would say that its important to understand part of why the product is being built, why it is important to build certain features now versus later. Interview Questions. And so, you know, sometimes even in small teams or startups product manager may do their own research, right. Mario Gerard: Yeah. Priyanka Shinde: Yeah. TPMs do not need to write code in their jobs, so there are no coding questions during the TPM interviews. Product, Go to company page And the key here is leads, which basically means that yes, we do more of that thing, that doesnt necessarily mean we cannot do the other things if needed. As were talking about this Priyanka, like how do PMs and TPMS collaborate? Like its good to have because you build that customer empathy. 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